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Post by sinister on May 1, 2006 11:59:31 GMT -5
Sinister:
Figured I'd start a thread so we could discuss Sinister's demise(seeing as how there are at least two camps that seem to want him dead).
Given the history I created for Essex, it would have been likely for Sinister(prior to his brainwashing and placement as a Horseman) to have created a clone of himself, just like he left the 'time capsule' depicting the true horrors of Apocalypse for himself to find.
The clone would be closer in his power matrix to the 616 version, not so jacked up - nor so loyal to Apocalypse. And while the clone would still be intelligent and share the same goals, he wouldn't necessary have access to all that his predecessor had created.
For example, a huge test-tube army awaiting his command. I view the army as clones or mutates like those used in the Legends: Rise of Apoc game. All of them waiting to be set free from the chambers that created them, pretty soldiers lined up in a row yet completely useless without the pass key. Now whether Apocalypse is aware of the code, if up to the player and powers that be.
Anyway, just thought this would give us a chance to 'kill' the guy without killing him and open up tension between the Essex clone and Apocalypse. It would also open up succession for a new Horseman or two, which could be fun.
P.S. I still plan to apply for a third character, just trying to get through finals first so I have the time to play them all. Also, Holocaust, nice plot twist to shove in Angel's face with the thread between the two.
Regarding Angel:
Holocaust, Apocalypse, Mods., etc. do we want to have Warren make his escape before or after the attempt on Sinister? I was thinking after.
Also if it succeeded, that could be what eventually drives Warren back to Apocalypse, the fact that he has become a man filled with blood lust and guilt who craves power above all else. Two things might keep him from certain death, one his loyalty to Holocaust and second the rules of succession. While having ended the life of a Horseman, it would then become Warren's duty to fill those shoes.
So in a way, Warren had become his own worst enemy. Every action leading him to destruction versus salvation. He then has to be molded into the Horseman they need versus a free-thinking traitor. Again, total lack of freedom where once he was completely free.
Warren's time as a free man on the run could be spent with the X-men or the High Human Council, however distrust(of both himself and from others makes him an outcast).
Any thoughts?
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Post by apocalypse on May 2, 2006 2:53:08 GMT -5
With Sinister I had never wanted him to be killed off completely, so I had always imagined he'd be brought back to life - the only explanation I could provide would be Apocalypse bringing him back somehow *shrugs* but I like the clone idea, although I'd like him to be a little more powerful. That way it'd provide an even greater story to those that killed him. Perhaps right now the Sinister in the story IS the clone and the real sinister is in a hibernation much like Apocalypse does?
Angel I suppose would be one responsible in the downfall of Sinister, along with Nate, Holocaust etc. Now whilst he may have killed a horseman he may not necessarily HAVE to take over it, remember Nate isn't a horseman either. Although due to the fact that he helped the others destroy Sinister then he'd have allies (lightly speaking) within Apocalypse' armies so his leaving would naturally destroy and create even greater tension between them all - nobody takes betrayal lightly hehe
The only problem I can see with his leaving is the fact that you'd be an outsider from nearly every group, and I would hate to see Angel become the goody goody that he is often portrayed as, I enjoy seeing that he has an evil streak within him - it's just so contradictory of his image. I'm not sure as to where he'd go after leaving Apoc.
ALSO
I really want the X-Men to find out about this crystal, perhaps during their attempt to save Blink they can find out about it and then try and beat Apocalypse and his crew to it. It'll finally give us a chance to interact between the two groups. So any ideas on how this could work?
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Post by angelboy1984 on May 2, 2006 10:20:18 GMT -5
I like your idea about the present Sinister being the clone and given Sinister's own attitudes it makes more sense that he would send Apocalypse a weaker version of himself while he chuckled in his sleep. All the time he knew that he would awake when the clone died.
Yeah, not sure how to maintain Angel's position and have him run as well. Now that I'm playing him, I do find it interesting to see his dark side reveal itself. I don't want this guy to be the same goody goody that becomes a suicide bomber, unless of course he becomes so evil that he can't live with himself any longer. That might be fun, but that would be a long way off.
I like the idea that he might be able to play both sides of the fence though, maybe because he 'appears' different than the other followers, Apoc and/or Holocaust decide to use him as a spy. Might be interesting to throw Scarlet Witch into that mix as well, give her character a chance to interract with Magnetic.
Both characters would be torn between their natural inclinations to 'do good' while they are clearly followers of Apocalypse. Perhaps something 'happens' during the search for the crystal and Warren/Scarlet Witch are used as decoys to keep the X-Men from finding it as Apocalypse steals away with the crystal. (my thoughts being that maybe he knows the crystal's worth but not how it works).
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Post by holocaust on May 2, 2006 10:45:10 GMT -5
I like the idea. It would also allow us to up the emnity between Holocaust and Sinister (the real one) as the real Sinister could know Holocaust was behind the plot. It would serve nicely along with some more build-up to a potential full-blown showdown.
Thanks! I fugred that since Angel always plays both sides it would be nice to forcibly shove him into choosing a side. As for the X-Men learning of the crystal, I just want to throw in there the idea that Sinister actually makes sure they know? Since he's just a duplicitious backstabber, what if Holocaust was near to getting the crystal and Sinister informed the X-Men to make Holocaust lose face and in vengeance for the death of his clone? Or even he might inform the X-Men so that he can steal the crystal himself during the chaos and each side would think the other had it? Just throwing that in there.
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Post by ladyace on May 3, 2006 20:44:10 GMT -5
Lady Ace could some how recieve info on the Crystal and inform the X-men. That would also give me a chance to involve her into the plot.
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Post by nj06 on May 3, 2006 21:02:12 GMT -5
Lady Ace, I think it would be a good idea to involve your character with Soldier X. Both of them seem compatible and I think if u both play it right, a great storyline and/or plot could come from the two of you.
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Post by apocalypse on May 3, 2006 22:14:10 GMT -5
Yea Lady Ace can definately get information on it, and the Soldier X idea is good too.
Basically this whole search for the crystal is a way to give EVERY character the ability to interact with each other, so some how involve yourself.
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Post by flirt on May 3, 2006 23:26:05 GMT -5
Out of curiosity... if everyone goes stumbling around Antartica searching for this crystal, isn't the Savage Land haven of Avalon bound to be discovered? Would it perhaps be better to have this crystal located at the other pole, so that any future plots involving the search for and eventual destruction of Avalon aren't negated?
And also, Apocalypse, by asking for volunteers you've made it somewhat difficult for the less eager followers of your character to join in on this. I really don't see either Angel or the Scarlet Witch volunteering to go trekking around in the snow looking for some crystal of their own volition. If you intend this plot to involve everyone, I'd humbly suggest having Apocalypse command those present at the meeting to go. Or at least wrap up the meeting thread so that those characters that are unlikely to choose to go can see to involving themselves in other side plots.
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Post by apocalypse on May 4, 2006 0:35:51 GMT -5
The reason I haven't wrapped up the meeting is because the X-Men can't do anything at this point, we're still waiting for Magneto to come back and give out next instructions.
I don't see how it's difficult for Scarlet to join in on the search, I asked for volunteers so just say you'd like to go and voila you're off with us. If you DON'T want to go on the quest then I'm fairly certain there'd be stuff to do back at base, for example defend from attacks due to the horsemen all being gone.
As for Avalon I really just forgot about the place seeing as we have nobody on the forum that has anything to do with it, and I wouldn't expect anybody to join soon hopeing to belong to it because it's not a very full on way to join in on the RP - it's so unattached from the world they'd just be talking to each other in multiple threads and getting nothing done.
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Post by flirt on May 4, 2006 1:14:27 GMT -5
If I want to adhere to her character, rather than simply impose an OOC desire to be involved in an active thread upon the character's IC consciousness, it is difficult for the Scarlet Witch to join. She is a follower of Apocalypse, but rather reluctantly so. She'll obey, but she won't volunteer. And while I'm fine with finding something for her to do back in NYC, I said that " if you intend this plot to involve everyone" then requesting volunteers, as opposed to ordering followers, might not be the best way to go about it.
Does Avalon need to be filled with RPers for there to be plots about uncovering the Infernal Gallop and destroying Avalon? I think not. NPCs can fill that role well enough. But by having the Horsemen go trekking about Antartica, these potential future plots are all but excluded as possibilities. That fact has nothing to do with whether people are, or will be, roleplaying Avalonian characters.
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Post by soldierx on May 4, 2006 4:24:00 GMT -5
I like the idea of involving Soldier X with Lady Ace, perhaps it could be that Soldier X managed to attend the meeting with use of his shapeshifting abilties, so he has the information and now he has to do something with it, pass it along to the X-men, Human high council?
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Post by angelboy1984 on May 4, 2006 10:21:06 GMT -5
Angel has been 'talked' into going to Antarctica by Holocaust. If we have time Scarlet, then we can thread inside Heaven. If she can get him to trust her, then he might reveal his fears to her. In that case I could see her going along to find the jewel and to watch his back.
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Post by holocaust on May 4, 2006 11:07:59 GMT -5
Antarctica is pretty big. It would be possible to avoid Avalon.
However on a similar note, what if it was this which LED to an attack on Avalon at a later date? If, say, someone trying to get to Avalon was captured by Apocalypse's forces- (Cain Marko?) then that would allow us plotwise to set up perfectly for any later plot involving Avalon?
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Post by apocalypse on May 4, 2006 12:24:53 GMT -5
If I want to adhere to her character, rather than simply impose an OOC desire to be involved in an active thread upon the character's IC consciousness, it is difficult for the Scarlet Witch to join. She is a follower of Apocalypse, but rather reluctantly so. She'll obey, but she won't volunteer. Oh ok I understand what you're saying there, the problem with that is I take away free will and MAKE people do something in the RP which I'm not really supposed to do according to the rules - yeah I broke it but commanding the horsemen but I figured if they had a problem with it then they'd be able to PM me and we'd make some way of getting about it. After all it's really OOC for Apocalypse to ask for volunteers rather than just making them do whatever he wants hehe I completely forgot about NPC characters as well. The main reason I said Antarctica is because it is one of the harshest environments in the world, Avalon was completely out of my mind because it hasn't been mentioned at all. But yeah finding Avalon still wouldn't be too bad of a thing, it'd once again give more for us to do in the story instead of just talking to each other meaninglessly. As you can probably tell I hate when an RP goes stale because nothing is happening, it's the main reason I see boards die so I really just wanted to get us doing something major instead of random meetings on the street, fighting, then repeat process.
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Post by ladyace on May 5, 2006 4:42:12 GMT -5
i also really like the idea of Lady Ace and Soldier X working together and the shapshifting idea is good to.
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